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Back the East West Lecture Series: theeastwestseries.com Join Jacobs Premium: https://www.thenathanjacobspodcast.co... The book club (use code LEWIS): https://www.thenathanjacobspodcast.co... Dr. Jacobs is joined by guest Jonathan Pageau for an in-depth discussion on the nature of symbolic thinking and philosophical realism. They explore how symbols function in reality, the relationship between ancient worldviews and modern nominalism, and the distinction between genuine symbology and eisegesis. The conversation addresses the metaphysical foundations of symbolic interpretation, the role of idealism in understanding reality, and whether symbols are merely useful fictions or constitute the actual structure of the world. All the links: Substack: https://nathanajacobs.substack.com/ Instagram: / thenathanjacobspodcast Website: https://www.nathanajacobs.com/ X: https://x.com/NathanJacobsPod Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0hSskUt... Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Facebook: / nathanandrewjacobs Academia: https://vanderbilt.academia.edu/Natha... 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:52 Jonathan’s Background 00:17:31 Symbology 101: What is Symbolic Thinking? 00:22:01 Philosophical Realism and Ancient Intuition 00:25:01 Are Symbols Real or Useful Fictions? 00:37:27 Idealism and the Structure of Reality 00:44:02 Christ-Shaped Reality and the Logos 01:12:20 How to Avoid Eisegesis in Symbolic Interpretation 01:23:45 The Danger of Gnostic and Esoteric Fascination 01:28:58 The Problem of Non-Realist Symbolism More words for the algorithm… philosophical realism, nominalism, symbology, symbolic thinking, Jonathan Pageau, The Symbolic World, analogical reasoning, Church Fathers, Eastern Orthodox theology, patristics, metaphysics, ontology, epistemology, idealism, microcosm, Gregory of Nyssa, Maximus the Confessor, Vladimir Lossky, Platonism, Aristotle, archetypal patterns, logos theology, Philo of Alexandria, Origen, Cappadocian Fathers, substance and shadow, typology, biblical interpretation, eisegesis, hermeneutics, fairy tales, Jung, archetypes, gnosticism, esoteric symbolism, mystery, theosis, deification, imago Dei, image of God, incarnation, Christology, sacramental theology, liturgical theology, iconography, icon carving, virtue epistemology, cognitive science, pattern recognition, analogy, hierarchy of being, forms, universals, particulars, one and many problem, essence-energies distinction, Jordan Peterson, C.S. Lewis, theological anthropology, participatory reality, cultural realism, ancient worldview, modern philosophy, postmodernism, Descartes, dualism, materialism, reductionism, natural theology, Christian philosophy, Orthodox philosophy, ancient philosophy, medieval philosophy, Thomism, Thomas Aquinas, Augustine, scholasticism, neo-Platonism, Stoicism, cosmology, teleology, final causation, efficient causation, formal causation, Darwinism, evolution, scientific method, induction, logic, coherentism, Pascal, will to believe, spiritual formation, asceticism, prayer, liturgical calendar, repentance, moral psychology, character formation, David Bentley Hart, Edward Feser, Robert Barron, Bishop Barron, Michael Levin, biology, religious epistemology, conspiracy theory, hermetic symbolism, occultism, René Guénon, perennialism, Mircea Eliade, narrative structure, storytelling, myth, mythos, reason, rationality