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In this episode, we bring together two opposing views on the future of software development: Steve Yegge (Amazon, Google, Sourcegraph), who believes traditional IDEs are becoming obsolete, and Nathan Sobo (CEO & Founder of Zed), who's building a next generation text editor. We covered: Why Steve thinks the "IDE monolith architecture" is fundamentally flawed for AI workflows Nathan's vision for IDEs as collaborative environments with humans and AI agents working together The shift from "building cars" to "running a factory full of workers building cars" Specific features needed in future IDEs: intelligent diff summaries, agent monitoring, mobile integration The reality of working with AI agents: "toddlers on ice skates with chainsaws" How code review and collaboration patterns are changing in an agentic world Why both agree that platforms need to be rebuilt from the ground up for AI-native workflows Steve Yegge's new book on Vibe Coding can be found here: https://a.co/d/g00zPZg