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“I give trial lawyers a menu of options,” Andrew Gould explains to hosts Todd Smith and Jody Sanders about his strategic approach as head of appellate at plaintiffs’ firm Arnold & Itkin. After building their appellate practice from scratch following his years as a federal prosecutor, Andrew shares battle-tested techniques for navigating the trial lawyer relationship. His “eyes-wide-open” philosophy ensures transparent communication about strategic decisions and potential appellate consequences. When asked about electoral changes affecting appellate courts, Andrew replies: “What matters to me as an appellate lawyer are the law and the facts, and that’s all it should be.” 0:00 Intro – Andrew Gould Joins the Podcast 1:23 From Kentucky to Law School: Early Career Path 4:17 Discovering Appellate Law at Vanderbilt 7:00 Clerkships: Sixth Circuit & Southern District of Texas 10:53 Landing at the U.S. Attorney’s Office (After Not Getting the Job!) 17:02 Transitioning to Criminal Appellate Work in the Fifth Circuit 22:25 Trying a Case as an Appellate Lawyer 33:52 Joining Arnold & Itkin to Build an In-House Appellate Practice 42:42 Working with Trial Lawyers & Building the Record 56:48 War Story: Citing a Case for the First Time at Oral Argument -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Texas Appellate Law Podcast Episode 148 Original Air Date: April 17, 2025 The views expressed by the participants of this podcast are their own, and not those of their law firms, courts, or employers. Nothing you hear on this show establishes an attorney-client relationship, or is legal advice. Produced and powered by LawPods. Sponsored by Court Surety Bond Agency and Proceed (formerly Counsel Press). texapplawpod.com