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In this episode, Dr. Howard Schubiner and Dr. Becca Kennedy unpack the science behind Rebecca Tolin’s recovery from 13 years of chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalitis. Although she was told that Epstein–Barr virus (among many other diagnoses) was the reason for her CFS/ME, she actually recovered through neuroplastic recovery therapies. Dr. Schubiner and Dr. Kennedy describe the scientific studies that break down why EBV is not a valid explanation for persistent symptoms. Together, they illustrate how Rebecca fully healed by addressing the learned patterns in her brain—and what her story reveals about the true mechanisms behind many chronic symptoms. 🛜 Visit our website www.symptomatic.me 🧑💻 Experiencing chronic pain or illness? Learn more from the 12-Question Self Assessment. https://www.symptomatic.me/quiz 🧠 Knowledge becomes healing Explore common conditions: https://www.symptomatic.me/commoncond... 📚 Start your recovery Free public resources: https://www.symptomatic.me/treatment-... 🧑⚕️ For practitioners and students Clinical tools and guidance: https://www.symptomatic.me/learningpr... 🎤 Share your story Be featured on the podcast: https://form.jotform.com/243224080632043 👩🏻🏫 Advantages of Membership in the ATNS Community: https://www.symptomatic.me/membership 💵 Support the mission Donate to expand awareness: https://givebutter.com/XJtTyC 💡About ATNS The Association for the Treatment of Neuroplastic Symptoms is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit advancing the science of chronic pain and illness. Led by volunteer clinicians, researchers, and advocates, ATNS provides education, tools, and support for the diagnosis and treatment of neuroplastic conditions. We bridge research with real-world care—helping people reclaim their lives.