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Why is the visual effects industry in crisis? Legendary VFX Supervisor and former Visual Effects Society (VES) Chair Jeffrey A. Okun joins us to discuss the history, politics, and future of the moving image. From his early days under the mentorship of graphic design icon Saul Bass to fixing the groundbreaking CGI of The Last Starfighter, Jeff has seen every major shift in Hollywood’s technical landscape. In this episode, we tackle the hard truths about the VFX industry: the 2013 Oscar protests (the "kerfuffle"), the struggle for global unionization, and why studios continue to treat digital artists as the "unwanted stepchild" of production. Jeff shares behind-the-scenes stories from Stargate, Deep Blue Sea, and Cutthroat Island, and settles the debate on whether the character Dr. Okun in Independence Day was based on him. We also dive deep into the future of filmmaking, analyzing the impact of Generative AI on creativity, the importance of the VES Handbook, and why the "fix it in post" mentality is destroying movie budgets. If you want to understand how Hollywood really works behind the screen, this is a must-watch. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:06:23 Syncing sound is a state of mind 00:08:41 Ketchup cameras and fake fights: Jeff’s early start 00:10:48 Growing up with John Wayne and Frank Sinatra 00:11:49 The Saul Bass Masterclass: Pushing the right buttons 00:16:38 From Gopher to Editor: An accidental promotion 00:20:19 The "Bass Method" of VFX Budgeting 00:22:40 Pre-comping 103 layers on film 00:24:13 Fixing The Last Starfighter’s CGI crisis 00:32:28 Midnight renders on the Cray X-MP supercomputer 00:34:48 Stargate and the risks of starting a VFX company 00:35:57 Pirates and Sharks: Cutthroat Island and Deep Blue Sea 00:37:49 The real story behind killing Samuel L. Jackson 00:42:16 Founding the Visual Effects Society (VES) Awards 00:45:02 Designing the Awards: From 184 categories to 23 00:49:40 The 2013 Kerfuffle: Protesting the Oscars 00:58:51 Why the VFX industry needs a global union 01:05:05 Hollywood's "Unwanted Stepchild" problem 01:05:54 The VES Handbook: Writing the industry Bible 01:14:53 AI in Hollywood: Innovation vs. Database Iteration 01:23:35 The Future of New Hollywood: Changing the workflow 01:29:03 Is Dr. Okun in Independence Day actually Jeff? 01:31:42 Why independent film is the future of VFX ________________________________ CGGarage website: https://www.cggarage.com/ Instagram: / mmstudios71 LinkedIn: / monstrous-moonshine Facebook: / cggaragepodcast ________________________________ Special thanks to our sponsors! Center Grid Virtual Studio: https://cgvirtualstudio.com/ Kitbash3D: https://kitbash3d.com/ (Use "CGGarage" at checkout for 10% off your purchase)