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(Conversation recorded on October 4th, 2023) On this episode, Nate is joined by energy industry professional Joris van der Schot to explain the basics of oil refineries, their limitations, and other cultural narratives about energy. Oil is the lifeblood of our economies, yet most of us know so little about how it actually becomes all the different final products that we use. Just how massive is the scale of our energy consumption? How flexible and resilient are oil refineries to shifting oil demand? Can we keep an open mind to realistic and helpful innovations while also grounding our preparations for the future in practical energy strategy ahead of The Great Simplification? About Joris van der Schot: Joris van der Schot is a former Royal Dutch Shell executive with over a decade of international experience in the oil industry, where he held roles as a control systems engineer, corporate strategy advisor, refinery economist and lastly, the company's global aviation gasoline supply manager. After a sabbatical year in Provence, Joris left the oil industry and set out on a quest to accelerate the clean energy transition through breakthrough technology. He currently works at french scale-up Energy Pool, providing storage and other flexibility services that enable the integration of renewable energy on the electricity grid. For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.co... 00:00 - Episode highlight 00:26 - Joris' introduction 03:30 - Joris’ expertise 08:43 - Oil and oil refineries 17:12 - Specializations of oil refineries 19:23 - Lego model of oil refining 26:52 - Sulphur in oil 36:35 - Butcher’s problem and adaptation 41:53 - Renewable energy and low carbon 44:33 - Future of energy 51:25 - If Joris advised the EU on energy policy 53:11 - Development of energy technology 56:39 - Joris’ advice to listeners 58:09 - Joris’ advice to young people 59:43 - What Joris cares most about 1:00:42 - Future topics of conversation #thegreatsimplification #natehagens #energy #oil