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Can we metabolize our pain to create an entry point into liberation? How can spirituality support us in this process? This week, Thomas sits down with Buddhist minister, author, and activist Lama Rod Owens to share visions for collective liberation, the importance of reconnecting with Indigenous worldviews, sacred ecology, and unseen worlds, and strategies to overcome hopelessness and despair as we work to dismantle harmful systems. They explore the intersection of individual and collective trauma, the connection between spiritual awakening and social justice, and the importance of meeting suffering and discomfort with kindness and presence instead of bypassing it for short-term relief. It’s a wide-ranging and inspiring conversation that bridges the mystical and the practical, and we hope you’ll tune in. #spirituality #buddhism #collectivehealing #meditation #yoga ✨ Join Thomas’ upcoming live course - Whole-Being Wellness: Aligning Mind, Body, and Spirit for a Vibrant Life Through guided practices, reflection tools, and community learning, we will develop new ways to care for ourselves and one another in a time when true well-being is needed more than ever. Expert guest teachers include Dr. Terry Real, Dr. Uma Naidoo, Iya Affo, and Ross Gay. 📅 The course begins THIS WEDNESDAY, May 21, 2025. Learn more and enroll here: 👉 https://www.whole-beingwellness.com ✨ Lama Rod Owens is a Black Buddhist Southern Queen and international influencer with a Master of Divinity degree in Buddhist Studies from Harvard Divinity School. He has over 11 years teaching experience, and is an author of books like Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation through Anger and Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love and Liberation, which he co-authored. His teachings focus on freedom and radical self-care. Known for his engaging and inclusive approach, he has been featured by various national and international media outlets. Connect with Lama Rod here: 👉 https://www.lamarod.com Subscribe to Thomas Hübl's channel for wisdom on healing, awakening, and transforming yourself and the world: / @thomashuebl For more episodes of the Point of Relation podcast, visit: https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/ For more teachings, events, and resources: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Instagram: / thomashuebl Facebook: / thomas.huebl.sangha About Thomas: Thomas Hübl is a renowned spiritual teacher, author, and facilitator of collective trauma healing. He integrates the core insights of mystical traditions with the discoveries of science to help people awaken to their highest potential.