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In this interview, retired Justice Department veteran Bernard Zapor discusses the complexities of ICE operations and the legal boundaries of public protest. Zapor emphasizes the necessity of waiting for comprehensive, "aircraft accident" style investigations before judging officer-involved shootings, such as the Alex Pretti case, warning that political reactions often outpace facts. He explains that while the First Amendment protects the right to voice displeasure, protesters cross a legal line into felony territory when they physically impede federal operations or obstruct law enforcement. Ultimately, Zapor argues that the breakdown of cooperation between local and federal authorities—often driven by "sanctuary city" politics—creates dangerous environments for both agents and the community, suggesting that enforcement should focus on targeted removals to minimize civil unrest. Subscribe to FOX 10 Phoenix! / @fox10phoenix #fox10phoenix #arizona #newsmaker #ice #immigration #az #alexpretti FOX 10 Phoenix delivers breaking news, live events, politics, entertainment, business news and local stories from Phoenix, Arizona and across the nation. Watch more FOX 10 Phoenix on YouTube: • Newsmaker • Arizona headlines • National headlines • Top Videos