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What happens when a Bonhoeffer scholar and a former evangelical fundamentalist sit down to talk about Christian nationalism, the myth of Mayberry, and whether we're living through a fascist moment in America? In this powerful conversation from Theology Beer Camp 2025, Tim Whitaker (The New Evangelicals) and Dr. Reggie Williams (McCormick Theological Seminary) explore how whiteness functions as a religion, why evangelical theology can acknowledge total depravity but deny systemic racism, and what Black Liberation Theology offers us in this moment of crisis. Dr. Williams shares his experience visiting the West Bank, the story of a 15-year-old American boy held in Israeli detention, and previews his forthcoming book Wholly, Holy: An Ethics After Whiteness. Tim opens up about his journey out of evangelical fundamentalism and why he believes silence is no longer an option. This is truth-telling at its most urgent. Come join us at Theology Beer Camp 2026 in Kansas City, October 8-10! Info at www.TheologyBeer.Camp