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This interview was recorded for GOTO Unscripted. #GOTOcon #GOTOunscripted https://gotopia.tech Read the full transcription of this interview here: https://gotopia.tech/articles/394 Simon Peyton Jones - Key Contributor of Haskell & Engineering Fellow at Epic Games Chelsea Troy - MLOps Tech Lead at Mozilla & Lecturer at University of Chicago @HeyChelseaTroy RESOURCES Simon https://simon.peytonjones.org https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_P... / simonpj0 https://github.com/simonpj / simonpj Chelsea https://chelseatroy.com https://social.clawhammer.net/@HeyChe... / heychelseatroy / chelseatroy https://github.com/chelseatroy Links https://www.haskell.org https://www.barefootcomputing.org https://www.computingatschool.org.uk https://www.computingatschool.org.uk/... https://www.computingatschool.org.uk/... https://chelseatroy.com/2025/05/14/th... https://computingeducation.org.uk https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-... • Bits with Soul - Professor Simon Peyton Jones • Teaching Kids to Program with Hedy: A Grad... • Beyond the Hype: A Realistic Look at Large... • Hashing Modulo Alpha Equivalence • Simon P... • Teaching Kids to Code with Sonic Pi • Sam ... • Experience Report - Teaching Kids to Code ... • Building a Smart Security Camera with Rasp... • What Counts as a Programming Language? • C... • Building Your Own Compiler the Slightly Ea... • Functional Programming in 40 Minutes • Rus... • Pure Functional Programming in Excel • Fel... • Effective Haskell • Rebecca Skinner & Emil... • What Every Programmer Should Know about Ho... • Verse: A New Functional Logic Language • L... DESCRIPTION Simon Peyton Jones – Royal Society member, Haskell language maintainer, and computing education advocate – discusses how a simple math problem about bank envelopes led him to discover the binary system 55 years ago, and why that moment of authentic problem-solving remains crucial for today's students. From his transition from Microsoft Research to founding Computing at School, Simon argues that computing education should be foundational rather than vocational, giving children agency in the digital world just as we teach them basic numeracy and science. He explores how to maintain the essence of computational thinking in an era where AI can instantly solve coding problems, emphasizing concrete, motivated contexts over abstract algorithms. The discussion spans from elementary programming with Scratch and physical computing devices to his unique role as a computing fellow at Epic Games, where he works with CEO Tim Sweeney to design the Verse programming language, proving that even billion-dollar companies can prioritize denotational semantics over quarterly profits. TIMECODES 00:00 Intro 01:08 The Binary System discovery: A teaching moment 05:45 Problem-solving in the age of AI 10:25 The journey into computing education 16:35 Functional programming & compiler design 20:41 Working as a computing fellow at Epic Games 23:40 Outro RECOMMENDED BOOKS Simon Peyton Jones • The Implementation of Functional Programming Languages • https://amzn.to/3HQE0Xn Chelsea Troy • Remote Work Sucks • https://heychelseatroy.gumroad.com/l/... Christopher Alexander • A Pattern Language • https://amzn.to/3Urefj3 Vitaly Bragilevsky • Haskell in Depth • https://amzn.to/3EXpmbe Rebecca Skinner • Effective Haskell • https://amzn.to/3VgUKsh Graham Hutton • Programming in Haskell • https://amzn.to/3Fi8rBC https://bsky.app/profile/gotocon.com / gotocon / goto- / goto_con / gotoconferences #Binary #BinarySystem #Haskell #GHC #SoftwareEngineering #Programming #FunctionalProgramming #CompilerDesign #CodingForKids #LearnToCode #EducatingKids #RaspberryPi #Arduino #Tech #SoftwareDevelopment #SoftwareTechnology #SimonPeytonJones #ChelseaTroy #TodayInTech CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: / @goto- Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket at https://gotopia.tech Sign up for updates and specials at https://gotopia.tech/newsletter SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL - new videos posted almost daily. https://www.youtube.com/user/GotoConf...