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Stephanie Holman is a cleared defense and national security recruiter currently supporting Defense Unicorns, where she hires engineers working on highly sensitive, mission driven software inside secure environments. With a background that spans military service, government contracting, and tech recruiting, she has built one of the most trusted voices in the cleared hiring space by educating candidates on how security clearances work and what it actually takes to navigate this opaque corner of the industry. Her content focuses on transparency, access, and helping people understand a world that is intentionally hard to talk about. We talked about demystifying cleared recruiting, building candidate trust through personal brand, and the advice for why recruiters shouldn’t let applicants take themselves out of the game. Stephanie shared what it looks like to manage hundreds of applicants in hours, how ATS knockout questions really work, and why rejection is rarely personal. We also covered scheduling engineers who work inside SCIF environments, the growing risks of candidate fraud and bad actors, and how AI can help recruiters focus on fewer, higher quality conversations rooted in. respect. At the center of it all was her belief that recruiting is human work, and that even in classified spaces, empathy, clarity, and integrity still win. Thanks for coming on the show, Stephanie! Connect with Stephanie here. Timestamps 00:00 A recruiter changed my life 02:30 What cleared recruiting actually means 04:50 Changing lives through recruiting 05:35 Why cleared hiring is so opaque 07:50 Building a creator brand in a restricted space 11:00 Candidate trust and personal reputation 14:00 Recruiting as hospitality and marketing 16:00 AI, signal, and fewer better conversations 19:15 Applicants vs candidates and high volume roles 20:15 200 applicants in 90 minutes and ATS myths 22:15 Bringing humanity to automated rejections 24:10 Do not take yourself out of the game 27:00 15 rejections before Amazon 29:00 Your social footprint matters 30:35 Scheduling cleared engineers in SCIF environments 32:35 Candidate fraud and security threats 34:40 Keep going one step at a time __ Shout out to our sponsor, Rooster. Rooster is a native interview scheduling platform built inside Workday Recruiting that eliminates back-and-forth and gives recruiters and candidates a clean self-scheduling experience.If you want fewer scheduling errors, faster coordination, and a smoother candidate experience, visit rooster.us to book a demo.