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Adam Fowler and Joannis Orlandos are both active members of the Swift Server Workgroup. Adam is known for his contributions to Soto (a community supported Swift SDK for AWS), and to the VS Code Extension for Swift, amongst other packages. Joannis was a contributor and core team member at Vapor, and is involved in many Server Side Swift projects: he created MongoKitten (a MongoDB Driver for Swift), and is a maintainer in RediStack and CoreOffice. In the last few months, they have been working together on a new major version of a lean and modular web framework in Swift: Hummingbird 2. In this Dev Conversations episode, Adam and Joannis join a chat where we talk about the evolution of Soto, working with Swift in VS Code and how Dev Containers are helpful, and how not, Hummingbird 2. As Joannis told his jounery in the Swift on Server world, we discussed the key differences between Hummingbird and Vapor, lessons learned along the process, and how the two frameworks help each other and the Swift community as a whole. You can find the full post at https://swifttoolkit.dev/posts/dc-ada... 00:00 Introduction 01:18 Soto and Its Origins 04:50 VS Code and Swift 11:14 Hummingbird 2 19:40 Deploying Swift on the Server 22:26 Hummingbird & Vapor 27:08 Final Notes