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30:0725:07 - This week on Mature Me, Rich sits down with Jimmy Rollins—speaker, author, and former pastor who, alongside his wife Irene, spent 25 years in full-time ministry, including 10 years as Senior Pastor of i5 City. They discuss the tension between external success and internal struggle, how easy it is to get comfortable in discomfort, and what it took for Jimmy to step away and rebuild from the inside out. Miracles can happen in a moment, but restoration takes a process. Jimmy shares his journey of hitting rock bottom, taking a year-long sabbatical, and learning that you can’t preach your triggers away—you have to lean into them to understand what they’re revealing. Now, through TWO=ONE, he and Irene are helping others build marriages, families, and lives that are whole—not just holding it together. Stay tuned to all of Rich’s latest content: https://www.richwilkersonjr.com Listen to this episode on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5irnf5x... Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Rich on Instagram: / richwilkersonjr Follow Rich on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@richwilkerson... 0:00 - Intro 4:16 - How often do you wash your hair? 7:26 - What do you think you’re after? 8:42 - Jimmy and Irene’s Background 9:58 - Troubled Teen Talent 12:12 - The Journey to a Successful Career 14:06 - Rebranding the church 17:02 - The Transition From Black to White 20:05 - How to win at the wrong things 21:08 - The Impact of Taking Over the Church 25:07 - What is someone telling themselves to keep going? 28:31 - The Importance of Integrity in Health 30:07 - The emotional trauma of going on a massive weight loss journey 33:48 - The science behind PTSD 37:29 - Irene story 44:20 - The Power of Authenticity 44:58 - Breakthrough Moments 47:32 - Gifts vs. Grace 1:01:02 - Advice for Pastors 1:07:52 - The Healing Process 1:08:41 - Transitioning from Union Church to Union 1:15:00 - The Dislikes of Pastoring 1:19:06 - Paul was a friend of the church 1:20:38 - What is a Pastor? 1:22:32 - What do you miss about being a pastor? 1:29:02 - The Book of Healing 1:31:47 - Life is a series of tests 1:36:13 - Lessons learned from illness 1:38:23 - Preaching 1:56:58 - What is an area I’m immature in?