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It's a system. In Part 2 of our deep dive into The DiJulius Group's 10 Commandments, John DiJulius and Denise Thompson reveal why exceptional customer experience is impossible without an exceptional employee experience. This episode unpacks Commandments 6-10, covering everything from hiring for character over competence, to building leaders on purpose instead of by accident, to why training must be treated as a product. You'll learn why world-class onboarding has nothing to do with HR paperwork marathons, what's really fueling the retention crisis, and why companies rise to the level of their systems—not their goals. If you're ready to eliminate silos, build leaders who actually lead, and create a workplace people never want to leave, this is your playbook. What You'll Learn: Why hiring for character instead of just technical skills changes everything How to make your interview process 'un-gameable' (even when candidates use AI to prep) The four phases of world-class onboarding—and why most companies only do one The danger of 'accidental managers' and how to build leaders on purpose Why training must be designed, delivered, and certified like a product you'd sell How to eliminate organizational silos that kill customer experience Which commandment creates the fastest impact (and when to start somewhere else) What the customer service revolution will look like in the next 5-10 years Key Insights for C-Suite Leaders "Hire for the heart, train for the part. Technical skills can be taught. Behavior is a lot harder." — John DiJulius "The best companies scare more people out of wanting to work there than they attract—by design." — John DiJulius "Companies don't rise to the level of their goals. They rise to the level of their systems." — Denise Thompson "Your customer experience is your offense. It makes customers come back more often, pay higher prices, and send more people." — John DiJulius "Customers aren't more demanding than ever. They're less tolerant of bad experiences." — John DiJulius Who This Episode Is For CEOs and business owners committed to building world-class cultures VP/Head of HR and People Operations Chief Customer Experience Officers (CXO) Operations leaders struggling with retention and engagement Learning & Development / Training Directors Links: The DiJulius Group Methdology: https://thedijuliusgroup.com/x-comman... Company Service Aptitude Test: https://thedijuliusgroup.com/c-sat-fo... Schedule a Complimentary Call with one of our advisors: tdg.click/claudia Ask John! Submit your questions for John, to be aired on future episode: tdg.click/ask Customer Experience Executive Academy: https://thedijuliusgroup.com/project/... Experience Revolution Membership: https://thedijuliusgroup.com/membership/ Books: https://thedijuliusgroup.com/shop/ Contacts: Lindsey@thedijuliusgroup.com , Claudia@thedijuliusgroup.com Subscribe We talk about topics like this each week; be sure to subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts so you don't miss an episode. For more information about the John DiJulius and The DiJulius Group, visit: https://thedijuliusgroup.com/ John DiJulius is considered "The Authority" on customer experience. His keynote presentations have motivated and inspired audiences from Entrepreneurs Organization, YPO, Nestle and Marriott to Chick-Fil-A and many more. His real life stories are lessons long remembered by attendees. Learn more about John and how to book him for your next event at: https://johndijulius.com/ The DiJulius Group provides Customer Service content, education, consulting, and training, to ensure our clients become the brand their customers and employees cannot live without. If you want happy employees, happy customers and happy shareholders, connect with us: Facebook: / thedijuliusgroup LinkedIn: / the-dijulius-group