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Dr. Orna Guralnik, famed psychoanalyst and star of Showtime’s Couples Therapy, joins Michelle and Craig to answer a listener’s question about disconnection and boredom in her marriage. Craig explains why he hid the problems in his first marriage from his family, Michelle discusses a pet peeve that drives her nuts, and Dr. Orna explains how to be truly present with another person in any long-term relationship. Plus, IMO gets its first furry guest! [00:00:00] Opening Banter: What Are You Really Thinking? [00:03:00] Talking About Marriage—Or Not Talking About It [00:05:00] A Revelation from Mom About Marriage Doubts [00:08:00] Real Talk: Marriage Is Hard Even When It Looks Easy [00:10:00] Growing Up Without Therapy in the Black Community [00:12:00] Introducing Dr. Orna Guralnik [00:18:00] Why Couples Therapy? Getting Both Perspectives [00:20:00] Michelle on Why We Don’t Talk Enough About Marriage [00:25:00] Listener Question: Boredom in Marriage [00:30:00] Finding Inner Life Before Turning to Your Marriage [00:40:00] Vulnerability and “Trembling” at the Edge of Honesty [00:45:00] Rejection, Curiosity, and Learning to Go Deeper [00:50:00] Cultivating Curiosity in Relationships [00:55:00] Small Practices: Notes, Poetry, and Presence [01:00:00] The Danger of Doing Parenthood Alone [01:03:00] Advice for Rachel: Three Takeaways for Reconnection [01:05:00] Michelle on Therapy as a Mirror [01:06:02] Closing Reflections and Gratitude #imo #michelleobama #craigrobinson #drornaguralnik #dating Subscribe to IMO with Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson on YouTube: Have a question for the show? Let us know at IMOpod.com Follow us on social! Instagram: www.instagram.com/imopodcasts TikTok: / imopodcasts Facebook: / imopodcasts X: https://x.com/imopodcasts About IMO with Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson Michelle Obama and her big brother Craig Robinson bring their unique experiences and candid perspectives to a range of personal dilemmas, from the everyday to the existential. Each week, they’re joined by a special guest to tackle audience questions with practical advice, terrific stories, and plenty of laughs. From dating and relationships to parenting and financial planning, IMO sees the iconic First Lady at her most relaxed and honest. This podcast will leave you laughing, reflecting, and feeling more prepared to tackle life’s challenges. About Michelle Obama Michelle’s passion for storytelling has set sales records, garnered awards and accolades, and earned her global acclaim. Her memoir, Becoming, spent over 130 weeks on the New York Times Bestsellers list, sold more than 17 million copies worldwide, and won a Grammy Award. American Factory, the first film produced by her and her husband Barack Obama’s media company Higher Ground, won the Academy Award for Best Documentary in 2020. Upon its release in 2020, The Michelle Obama Podcast was the most successful original in Spotify history, bringing in more women listeners over 40 than any other podcast. Through the Obama Foundation, she founded the Girls Opportunity Alliance, which supports adolescent girls' education and empowerment around the world. Follow Michelle Obama on Instagram: / michelleobama Follow Michelle Obama on Facebook: / michelleobama Follow Michelle Obama on X: https://x.com/MichelleObama About Craig Robinson Craig is the Executive Director of the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) and host of the Higher Ground podcast Ways To Win with Hall of Fame coach John Calipari. From 2017-2020, he served as the vice president of Player Development and Minor League Operations for the NBA’s New York Knicks. Previously, he was a Division I head men’s basketball coach at Oregon State and Brown, and spent more than a decade working as a trader in the investment banking industry. Most importantly, he is a husband and father of four. Follow Craig Robinson on X: https:/x.com/craigmalrob Follow Craig Robinson on Instagram: / craigmalrob About Higher Ground Higher Ground was founded by President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama in 2018 to tell powerful stories that entertain, inform, and inspire—while elevating new and diverse voices in the entertainment industry. Learn more at https://highergroundmedia.com/ Follow Higher Ground on Instagram: instagram.com/highergroundmedia Follow Higher Ground on X: https://x.com/HGMedia