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For decades, the “seeker-sensitive” and attractional church model dominated American Christianity. Big stages. Clean messaging. Cultural neutrality. Stadium energy. But is that era fading? In this conversation with Ruslan, we unpack why the mega church model may be shifting, why Gen Z is rejecting “vanilla Christianity,” and why revival without discipleship won’t last. FULL INTERVIEW ON RUSLAN'S PAGE: • Gen Z Responds to Charlie Kirk’s Message &... We talk about: • Why the Blockbuster analogy matters for church leadership • Whether mega churches themselves are the problem — or just the model • Why young men are flooding back to church • The Barna data showing Gen Z’s biblical worldview at 4% • Why wrath of God sermons are resonating again • Why revival won’t happen in stadiums — but at dinner tables • The danger of pastors going silent on cultural issues • Why Christian creators need local church accountability If the church is silent, social media won’t be. And whatever isn’t discipled in the church will be formed by culture. This isn’t about tearing down the big church. It’s about asking the right question: What is church for? If you care about revival, discipleship, and the future of the local church — this conversation matters.