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The Testament of Ann Lee is up for discussion on our first episode of season 2. Directed by Mona Fastvold (The World to Come, The Brutalist), the movie tells the story of Ann Lee, the leader of a Shaker group that journeyed to the American colonies in the 18th century. Heather talks to Caroline Johnson, whose research on the Shakers reveals what's historically accurate and what's not. More importantly, they discuss what this film has to say about female religious experience and the body. Caroline Johnson is the author of the scholarly article “The Reinterpretation of the Round Shaker Barn How Patriarchal Values Changed the Doctrine, History, and Architecture of a Religion," published by the journal AWE. She teaches in the Comparative Arts & Letters department at BYU and is also the co-director of JKR Gallery in Provo. If you liked this episode, check out these previous episodes: Bonus- In the Company of Change: A Nun's Influence • Bonus In the Company of Change: A Nun's In... Les Innocents: Women Helping Women • Les Innocents: Women Helping Women Bonus - Nobody Wants This: Interfaith Marriage and Jewish Representation • Bonus - Nobody Wants This: Interfaith Marr... Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Overview 01:35 Guest Introduction: Carol Ann Johnson 04:15 Historical Accuracy in Films 06:40 Ann Lee's Legacy and Shaker Doctrine 11:14 Exploring Ann Lee's Personal Life 15:47 The Sensual Nature of Shaker Worship 17:56 Intimacy and Physical Expression in Shaker Worship 18:59 Contrasting Worldly and Spiritual Experiences 19:43 Physicality in Shaker Religion 22:31 Ann Lee's Revelations and Suffering 25:54 John Hne's Dedication and Legacy 28:19 Shaker Architecture and Daily Life 32:06 Final Thoughts on Shaker Spirituality