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In this podcast episode, Jonathan and Melissa Helser dialogue with Chris Miller and Phyllis Unkefer—two of the core leaders from our community— about staying with God in the tension of life. The conversation centers around why we believe that creativity is essential to life with God. If you are interested in learning more or applying to one of our discipleship programs, please go to http://18inchjourney.com E-courses and online resources: https://www.engagingcultivate.com *This month, applications are open for our 18 Inch Journey Phase One discipleship school and Becoming Wholehearted Men’s Retreat! Note: Our Women’s Retreat application has closed.* Learn more about the Cageless Birds at https://www.cagelessbirds.com If you’d like to be a part of what the Lord is doing through our ministry, go to https://www.cagelessbirds.com/donate Connect with Cageless Birds : Shop to support the Cageless Birds | https://shop.cagelessbirds.com Facebook | / cagelessbirds Instagram | / cagelessbirds