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In this episode, Reed Hansen sits down with John Gumas, President of Commit Agency and the marketing strategist who literally trademarked the term Challenger Brand Marketing. With over 40 years of experience, John has helped brands competing against much larger, better-funded “gorilla” competitors discover and defend positions no one else can own. From financial institutions to highly regulated industries, his methodology is built on one principle: 👉 You don’t win by being slightly better. 👉 You win by being meaningfully different. 🎯 What You’ll Learn in This Episode: What “Challenger Brand Marketing” really means Why most marketing campaigns fail before they start The 5-step challenger brand framework Why discovery is the most important (and skipped) step in marketing How to compete against brands with 10x your budget Why niche positioning beats trying to be everything to everyone A real-world credit union case study that transformed growth How to turn customers into loyal brand advocates 🧠 Key Takeaway Most companies start marketing at step 3 or 4 (creative or media spend). John explains why real growth starts with deep discovery — uncovering the true emotional reason customers choose you over competitors. When you know that? Your strategy becomes obvious. Your messaging becomes clear. Your growth becomes predictable. 📖 About John Gumas John Gumas is the President of Commit Agency, formerly founder of Gumas Advertising (est. 1984), and the author of two books on Challenger Brand Marketing. He has advised brands across financial services, regulated industries, and competitive markets — helping them shift from commoditized players to meaningful, differentiated brands. Learn more about Challenger Brand Marketing: 👉 https://commitagency.com/challenger-b... Connect with John on LinkedIn: 👉 / john-gumas-08046 🎙️ About the Show Inside Marketing with MarketSurge is your front row seat to bold business insights, marketing breakthroughs, and entrepreneurial real talk. Hosted by Reed Hansen, Chief Growth Officer at MarketSurge, this podcast dives deep into what’s actually moving the needle in today’s marketing world. 🔥 Want to Grow Smarter, Faster, and Louder? Head over to: 👉 https://marketsurge.io See how MarketSurge helps businesses scale with: SEO & Organic Growth CRM Implementation Paid Ads Management Marketing Automation Full-Funnel Strategy Because your next breakthrough shouldn’t be a guess.