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To listen to more of Jacek Kuroń’s stories, go to the playlist: • Jacek Kuroń (Social activist) To listen to more of Jacek Kuroń’s stories, go to the playlist: • Jacek Kuroń (Social activist) Polish activist Jacek Kuroń (1934-2004) helped to transform the political landscape of Poland. He was expelled from the communist party, arrested and incarcerated. He was also instrumental in setting up Workers' Defence Committee (KOR) and became a Minister of Labour and Social Policy. [Listeners: Jacek Petrycki, Marcel Łoziński; date recorded: 1987] TRANSCRIPT: In short, you could say there are three basic kinds of upbringing. The first, most common kind is school. This is a first-rate mechanism for educating people in the sense that school reflects the whole of society. Therefore when a young person attends school, he picks up the knowledge and skills and attitudes that are essential for him to live in the society of which his school is a part. I mean, he adapts to this society and knows how to behave. In this respect, this whole second life as we can call it, this conspiracy within the school is so incredibly valuable because it's the way the school not only adapts the personality by breaking it, but also allows it to develop. That's the reason why the undermining of pupil solidarity is so very dangerous. I'd be happy to reflect here on these dangers, on proper upbringing where the educator is a true friend who is able to win the pupil's trust but of course there's no place for this sort of thing. This is one educational model, the one that's most prevalent. In contrast to it, there is the other model of educating all kinds of 'masters'. Korczak is a classic example of this, although every master counts here... the great master of education is a person who knows how to do this. What does he know how to do? He knows how to create an environment in which children simply feel comfortable, and that's his basic skill. After that, everything else is perfect. If the children feel comfortable, they are able to grow and develop, except that the danger of this kind of upbringing is that children who have been through it start life and what are they capable of doing? Will they not be too fragile to cope? Maybe what Marek (Edelman) says about Korczak, that none of the children Korczak fostered took part in the Jewish Fighting Organisation is true, even after taking into account all of Marek's distortions, and that this pin-points the issue that these children were somehow lost. They couldn't find their bearings in the cruel world beyond the walls of the children's home where everything was beautiful. There's still a third model which appeared in various places. Maybe I was the one who gave it a name or maybe not, I can't answer that question. It's the concept that we followed with the Walterowcy where we introduced children to life the way it is, and taught them how to behave, act, organise and change things. In addition, because the main motive for setting up the Walterowcy was to teach the children to govern and to form in them the proper attitude towards governing, we created a model of full democracy for those children. We could now go into all the different problems associated with that but that's more of a subject for a book on education.