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In this episode we sat down with Yanuar Nugroho, an ex-Deputy Chief of Staff of the President (during the SBY and Jokowi 1st period administrations) and also a member of the LPDP Reviewer Committee, amongst other things. We discussed various current issue surrounding LPDP, academia vs political interest, and the recent #KaburAjaDulu narrative. As someone who has been both knee deep in international and local academia and the government, Yanuar weigh in on what he thinks of policy making, the prospect of STEM graduates in Indonesia, and the government's obsession with hitting 8% GDP growth. ------------------ What is up, Indonesia? (WIUI) is an independent media that curates Indonesian socio-politics in an accessible manner for internationally-raised Indonesian youths. This podcast is hosted by Andovi da Lopez & Abigail Limuria Instagram: / whatisupindonesia Twitter: / wiuindonesia Tiktok: / whatisupindonesia Website: https://whatisupindonesia.com/ JOIN OUR WIUI COMMUNITY Discord: / discord Connect with Andovi da Lopez Instagram: / andovidalopez Twitter: https://x.com/AndovidaLopez Tiktok: / andovishow Connect with Abigail Limuria Instagram: / abigailimuria Twitter: https://x.com/abigailimuriaa Tiktok: / abigailimuria