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How can charity leaders plan for the future when complexity is the norm? What does systems thinking look like in the charity sector? In this mini episode of Leaders with Purpose, Rebecca Hull and Lou Lai revisit key insights from their recent full-length conversation with Dr Claire Routley, Consultancy Director at Legacy Futures. Legacy giving is inherently long term. But sustainable legacy programmes don’t sit in isolation - they’re shaped by supporter journeys, organisational culture, generational change and the wider social and economic systems charities operate within. Timestamps: 00:00 - What systems thinking means in practice 01:10 - Moving beyond simple cause and effect in strategy 02:30 - Why legacy fundraising can’t be added onto a weak supporter experience 04:00 - Systems thinking as a leadership skill for the future 06:00 - Why systems change is hard (and why charities are part of it) 08:30 - Generational shifts, consumer trends and the future of legacy giving This is a mini episode extracted from the full episode with Dr Claire Routley. If you’d like to explore future thinking, legacy fundraising trends and long-term charity leadership in more depth, you can find the full episode on our channel! If you value conversations about charity leadership, systems change and future-focused fundraising strategy, subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode of Leaders with Purpose. Subscribe to the podcast: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/78ASRJj... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.co.uk/podcasts/a... Connect with us: Claire Rutley: / claire-routley-9a8b737 Rebecca Hull: / rebecca-hull-75a78b39 Louise Lai: / louise-lai-3958962a manifesto: https://manifesto.co.uk/