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What if the real magic of Wicked isn’t the spells, but the way friendship, shame, and belonging shape who we become? In this episode, Savannah and Lee dive into the deeper themes of Wicked: For Good, from dreams that come true but don’t satisfy, to the power of propaganda, to the power of shame with an in-group/out-group mentality. They also unpack Glinda and Elphaba’s friendship: how Elphaba gives Glinda moral courage and authenticity, and how Glinda gives Elphaba trust, confidence, and a place to be known without performing. Things we mentioned in this episode: Did the Old Testament Endorse Slavery? by Dr. Joshua Bowen (https://amzn.to/4orbACr) Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness (https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert...) The Happiness Project by Gretchen Rubin (https://amzn.to/48IznsW) 1984 by George Orwell (https://amzn.to/4p91Vl9) Animal Farm by George Orwell (https://amzn.to/4peksN7) The Tears of Things by Richard Rohr (https://amzn.to/440cUF6) That All Shall Be Saved by David Bentley Hart (https://amzn.to/48a88aA) The New Testament: A Translation David Bentley Hart (https://amzn.to/4pGOEQC) Follow The Subtext: Instagram ( / thesubtextshow ) | Threads (https://www.threads.com/@thesubtextshow) | X (https://x.com/thesubtextshow/) | YouTube ( / @subtextshow ) | TikTok ( / thesubtextshow ) Follow Lee: Instagram ( / leeccamp ) | Twitter ( / leeccamp ) | Lee's Newsletter (https://www.nosmallendeavor.com/newsl...) Follow Savannah: Instagram ( / savannah_locke ) | Substack (https://savannahlocke.substack.com/) Join our Email List: nosmallendeavor.com (https://nosmallendeavor.com/)