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The Digital Accessibility Podcast – Tanya Van Workum & Jan Jaap De Groot In this episode, Joe is joined by Tanya Van Workum and Jan Jaap De Groot, co-founders of ABRA, a mobile accessibility consultancy specialising in iOS and Android accessibility. Together, they unpack what makes mobile accessibility different from web, why it’s often treated as an afterthought, and how organisations can build accessible mobile products that genuinely work for users. Topics covered include 🎙️ • Why mobile accessibility requires a different mindset • Common mistakes teams make with iOS and Android • The limits of accessibility audits • Building confidence in designers and developers • Working with disabled users in mobile testing • What “good enough” accessibility really means Chapters ⏱️ 00:00 – Introduction 02:10 – Tanya & Jan Jaap’s backgrounds 05:40 – Why ABRA focuses solely on mobile accessibility 10:15 – How mobile accessibility differs from web 18:30 – Common iOS & Android accessibility pitfalls 26:45 – Beyond audits: education and enablement 34:20 – Designers, developers & shared responsibility 42:10 – Working with disabled users 49:30 – Defining “good enough” accessibility 55:40 – Final thoughts & advice for teams Follow ABRA: Website: https://www.abra.ai Connect with the guests: Tanya Van Workum: / tanya-van-workum Jan Jaap De Groot: / jan-jaap Follow Joe James: LinkedIn: / joeajames Twitter (X): / a11yjoe YouTube: / @pcrdigital Visit PCR Digital: https://www.pcrdigital.com/