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In excerpts from a discussion with Tony Robbins filmed February 11, 2025, DoubleLine CEO-CIO and Founder Jeffrey Gundlach shares his views on rising interest rates, market valuations, and the potential for significant institutional changes. Mr. Gundlach highlights the shift from a multi-decade period of falling interest rates to a rising interest rate environment, predicting that rates will not return to the extremely low levels seen in the past decade. He warns of potential budget crises due to increased interest expenses on government debt, emphasizing the unsustainable nature of current debt levels and the possibility of restructuring U.S. Treasury debt. Gundlach notes, "We cannot have our present tax system and our present debt management system running simultaneously." Gundlach shares his investment strategies, recommending a focus on real assets like gold and real estate, maintaining liquidity, and investing in emerging markets, particularly India. He observes, "Gold is being purchased as a safety item, as an insurance policy." He discusses the high valuation of the market, with specific reference to the S&P 500 and the concentration of profits in a few companies. Gundlach also explores broader societal issues, including wealth inequality and the potential for significant institutional changes in the coming years. He states, "We're in a societal transformation, and it's becoming not even hypothetical anymore." Expressing a mix of concern and optimism, Gundlach emphasizes the importance of being prepared for significant changes and finding opportunities in times of crisis. He critiques government spending, discusses the future of the dollar, and shares his thoughts on digital currency. Gundlach concludes by sharing his personal motivations and outlook on the future, expressing a desire to navigate through the current economic challenges and emerge stronger, "I want to see this movie end, and I want to get people through it." 00:00 - Introduction Tony Robbins introduces Jeffrey Gundlach and sets the stage for the discussion. 00:21 - Market Overview Gundlach discusses the rise in gold and cryptocurrency values and the high valuation of the market. 01:15 - Interest Rates and Economic Outlook Insights on the shift from falling to rising interest rates and its implications for the economy. 05:51 - Debt and Fiscal Policy Discussion on the unsustainable nature of current debt levels and potential restructuring of U.S. Treasury debt. 12:31 - Investment Strategies Gundlach's recommendations for investing in real assets, cash, and emerging markets. 23:29 - Societal and Institutional Changes Exploration of wealth inequality and the potential for significant institutional changes in the coming years. 34:50 - Personal Insights Gundlach shares his personal motivations and outlook on the future.