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What if the biggest threat to spiritual formation in the church isn’t bad theology, but consumer instincts? We’re joined by Cliff Young Jr., lead pastor of New Hope Christian Center in Lomita, CA, who also serves on the Board of Directors for Dallas Willard Ministries, for an honest conversation about spiritual formation and how apprenticeship to Jesus takes shape in the life of the church. In this episode: • How church becomes “goods and services” (and what it does to us) • Horizontal community vs. a God-centered life together • Why pastors reproduce who they are, not just what they teach • Practices that form people: presence, silence, attention • Why table fellowship and smaller communities matter • A Wesleyan gut-check: questions that expose what’s really forming us Also: Cliff mixes it up with his DJ skills, the realities of a pastor’s Monday inbox, and a closing song to steady the soul. 🎶 Learn more: › Cliff Young Jr. – https://www.cliffordyoungjr.com/about › Christian Soul by Cliff Young Jr. – https://www.cliffordyoungjr.com/book