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Mia Hughes is an Ottawa-based British journalist and researcher for Michael Shellenberger's nonprofit, Environmental Progress. Mia authored the WPATH Files report, which exposed widespread medical mistreatment of children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults in the realm of gender-affirming care. We were both in Lisbon, Portugal, for the Genspect conference—which uncoincidentally coincided with WPATH’s conference. (NB I reached out to WPATH organizers and speakers to have a conversation about their reasoning for gender-affirming care. As expected, I received no responses. Throughout this conversation I made an effort to steelman WPATH arguments.) Mia and I began with the concept of "Gender Soul." This led to a discussion about medical interventions in gender-affirming care. Follow Mia: https://x.com/_CryMiaRiver Chapters 0:00 Intro & Introduction to Mia 9:00 Genspect/WPATH steelman 15:50 Extreme-overvalued belief 22:30 Reality of gender-affirming care 26:17 Jazz Jennings 31:05 Phalloplasty 36:00 Gender-affirmation satisfaction 45:00 Facts vs ideology vs morals 56:55 Gender-affirming for profit 1:01:44 Is gender ideology a cult? 1:12:45 WPATH's motivation 1:16:40 Lessons from Lobotomies 1:19:00 Will we find our way out of this? ⸺SUPPORT MY WORK⸺ Newsletter | https://boghossian.substack.com/ Donate | https://www.nationalprogressalliance.... ⸺LINKS⸺ Podcast: "Conversations with Peter Boghossian": https://pod.link/1650150225 Website | https://peterboghossian.com/ National Progress Alliance | https://www.nationalprogressalliance.... Resignation Letter | https://peterboghossian.com/my-resign... ⸺BOOKS⸺ “How To Have Impossible Conversations” | https://www.amazon.com/dp/0738285323/... “A Manual For Creating Atheists” | https://www.amazon.com/Manual-Creatin... ⸺SOCIAL MEDIA⸺ Twitter | / peterboghossian Instagram | / peter.boghossian TikTok | / peterboghossian All Socials | https://linktr.ee/peterboghossian __________ #genderaffirmingcare #transgender #medicalmalpractice #peterboghossian