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Summary In this conversation, Mike Kaeding interviews JCron, the former partner and president of Kajabi, a knowledge commerce platform. JCron shares his journey from bankruptcy to building a $2 billion enterprise. He emphasizes the importance of authenticity and human connection in the digital age. He also discusses the power of being broke and the freedom it brings. JCron highlights the significance of conversations at inflection points and the need to redefine success. He shares his experiences in the world of online marketing and software development. In this conversation, JCron shares his journey in the world of marketing and entrepreneurship, particularly his experience with Kajabi. He emphasizes the importance of relationships and the power of copywriting in marketing. JCron also discusses the challenges and successes of scaling Kajabi, and the impact the platform has had on its users' lives. He offers advice for aspiring entrepreneurs and highlights the need for creativity and grit in pursuing opportunities. Takeaways Authenticity is a currency in the digital age, and people want to learn from real people with real stories. Experiencing failure and hitting rock bottom can be freeing and provide an opportunity for reinvention. Being broke can lead to creativity, innovation, and taking risks. The fear of failure is often worse than the failure itself. Success should be defined multidimensionally, not just by financial wealth. The quality of conversations at inflection points can have a significant impact on one's life. Caring too much about what others think can hold you back from taking risks and making tough decisions. Failure is not a label, but a choice to not try again. The journey from bankruptcy to success often involves learning from mentors and immersing oneself in new industries. Starting from zero can provide a clean slate and the opportunity to build something new and meaningful. The power of relationships in entrepreneurship and the role they play in success The importance of mastering copywriting as a foundational skill in marketing The challenges and successes of scaling a company like Kajabi The impact of Kajabi on its users' lives and the stories of transformation The need for creativity and grit in pursuing entrepreneurial opportunities Links www.norhart.com