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E924: I sit down with Lars Lofgren and Jacky Chou to talk about what’s really happening inside search right now - not the PR version, not the Google blog version, but what people running sites, ranking pages, and making money are actually seeing. We dig into why white-hat, content-driven SEO feels like it’s collapsing for a lot of people, while black-hat operators, parasite SEO, and forum spam are quietly having one of their best years ever. This isn’t a theoretical conversation. Lars and Jacky work directly inside these systems. They see what ranks, what breaks, and what keeps working after updates. If you run a website, a SaaS, a content business, or an affiliate site, this episode explains why things could feel harder than they used to - and why some people are still doing extremely well. What we cover Why MozCon felt depressing while black-hat conferences felt optimistic How Google’s Helpful Content updates changed who wins and who loses Why technical SEOs and parasite SEOs are outperforming content-first sites How forums, Reddit, and Facebook groups are being used to manipulate rankings Why casino, VPN, and adult niches still dominate traditional search results How listicles, review sites, and media publishers control AI recommendations Why Forbes keeps ranking for everything, even after being hit How AI Overviews and LLMs pull from Google’s front page How easy it is to make a fake brand show up inside ChatGPT and other LLMs Why Trustpilot, Reddit, and listicles matter more than backlinks right now How some publishers recover while others stay permanently buried The HouseFresh case study and why public pressure actually works How parasite SEO works on newspapers and Google News sites Why many white-hat SEOs feel stuck while black-hat operators scale How founders should build brands in an LLM-driven world Why social, video, and personal brands now beat pure SEO This episode is for anyone who: Runs a content site Does affiliate SEO Builds SaaS or online tools Depends on Google traffic Wants to understand how AI is changing search Feels like rankings and traffic don’t make sense anymore ⭐️ Lars Lofgren’s website and newsletter: https://larslofgren.com/ ⭐️ Lars Lofgren on LinkedIn (tell him you came from this podcast and he’ll accept your connection): / larslofgren ⭐️ Lars Lofgren on 𝕏: https://x.com/larslofgren ⭐️ Jacky Chou on 𝕏 - https://x.com/indexsy ⭐️ Jack Chou’s website - https://jackychou.com/ ⭐️ Jacky Chou on YouTube - / @indexsy 💎 Compact Keywords - My SEO Course - Get paying customers through SEO - Clear step-by-step video breakdowns - SEO templates to be copied and adapted for your products and services: https://compactkeywords.com/ 00:00 White Hat vs. Black Hat SEO: A Tale of Two Conferences 01:15 The Impact of AI and Google's Algorithm on SEO 02:10 Black Hat SEO: Thriving in the Current Landscape 04:43 Forbes and the Content Quality Debate 07:57 The Rise of Technical SEOs in the LLM Era 09:23 Gaming LLMs: New Tactics and Strategies 22:21 The Golden Age of Forum Spam 23:04 The Power of Masterminds and Private Communities 35:29 Reddit Manipulation and the Coding Bootcamp Scandal 41:47 Starting Local: Leveraging Facebook and Reddit 42:55 AI Influencers and Monetization Strategies 44:09 AI Content and Detection Challenges 44:45 AI in SEO: Misconceptions and Strategies 47:36 Google Algorithm Shifts and SEO Tactics 49:12 Niche Sites and Content Strategies 01:00:46 Trustpilot Reviews and Black Hat Tactics 01:07:12 Social Media Strategies for SEO and Branding 01:19:53 Concluding Thoughts and Final Tips The Edward Show. Your daily search engine optimization podcast: https://edwardsturm.com/the-edward-show/ #blackhatseo #searchengineoptimization #linkbuilding