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On this episode, Kevin chats with Peter Kleinberg, Vice President of ESI Ventures, a diversified and opportunistic commercial real estate investment firm focusing on acquisition, development, and repositioning of value-add and adaptive reuse projects through various positions in the capital stack. ESI operates in the CO-GP investing space, placing money alongside project sponsors as they concurrently raise commodity LP equity investment, while also providing credit enhancement for operating partners who lack the net worth and liquidity to secure bridge or construction debt. The conversation goes deep on the nuance and complexity of credit enhancement loaded with significant downside risks, exploring the deal attributes and structures ESI uses to mitigate these risks. Peter demonstrates thoughtful awareness of the fact patterns in his investments and the industry as a whole, discussing where ESI invests in the capital stack up to 98%, the size of their investments and attached assets, and the nature of emerging manager partnerships with high levels of expertise. They cover why ESI is truly discretionary as an extension of a small family office versus institutional managers constrained by their box, why net worth and liquidity are central to commercial real estate, CO-GP investment and credit enhancement pricing mechanisms, how the real estate business is pursuit of transactions with people at the core, respecting unknown unknowns as huge blind spots, running development like a business with persistence and thoughtfulness, and making pitches professional with marketing aspects that draw readers in.