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Liz Gunn speaks with Tony Pascoe, Marie Gibbs, and Russell Gibbs in this powerful interview. Tony Pascoe, a lifelong farmer north of New Plymouth, has spent over a decade fighting the New Zealand Transport Agency's Mount Messenger Bypass project. This proposed 5.3 kilometre road would cut through his family's ancient forest valley and 18 hectare wetland, home to rare native species. The family faced repeated trespass without notice, intimidation, psychological pressure, and tactics designed to break landowners. Marie and Russell Gibbs, siblings with deep farming and iwi roots, joined the fight. They share their own experiences with Public Works Act land pressures and explain the legal complexities. The interview covers hidden cheaper route options, unlawful delegated authority by NZTA and the Property Group, and relentless pressure on the Pascoe family. On 18 December 2025, the Supreme Court ruled 3 to 2 in the Pascoe family's favour. The decision found that NZTA and the Property Group lacked proper ministerial delegation under section 18 of the Public Works Act for nearly 30 years. This landmark ruling is a precedent that protects landowners and requires good faith negotiation by the Minister for Land Information. The guests discuss the human and financial toll, systemic issues in the Public Works Act process, and the need for accountability from NZTA, ministers, and lower courts. This story serves as both a warning and a guide for other New Zealanders facing similar land acquisition threats. Please consider supporting Tony Pascoe to help cover his legal costs: Account number: 06-0789-0179609-00 Name: TJS & DA PASCOE Bank: ANZ Our first interview with Tony Pascoe & Marie Gibbs in 2023: https://rumble.com/v3ts5ki-tony-pasco...