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Lauren Hebert, Co-Founder & Director of Flourishing Systems Foundation, joins Banu Kellner, Founder of SuperHuman Society, and Joel Lehman, Scientist in Residence at Second Nature AI, for a fireside conversation at Human+Tech Week exploring the tension between progress and human flourishing. They discuss instrumental vs. intrinsic value, the narratives driving technological acceleration, AI development incentives, economic systems, and what it truly means to build lives worth living. The conversation examines who defines progress, how metrics shape innovation, and how technology can be aligned with human dignity and long-term collective wellbeing. About the speakers: Lauren Hebert is Co-Founder and Director of Flourishing Systems Foundation, where she works at the intersection of philosophy, systems thinking, and institutional design. Her work focuses on redefining progress beyond material growth, advancing frameworks that center human dignity, collective intelligence, and long-term flourishing. Lauren convenes researchers, technologists, and policymakers to rethink the cultural and structural narratives shaping our future. Banu Kellner is the Founder of SuperHuman Society, a community exploring how emerging technologies can elevate human potential while preserving meaning, agency, and connection. Her work bridges AI, culture, and personal development, examining how technological systems influence identity, aspiration, and social cohesion. Banu advocates for building tools that enhance—not replace—human depth and purpose. Joel Lehman is a computer scientist and AI researcher known for his work in open-endedness, artificial life, and evolutionary systems. As Scientist in Residence at Second Nature AI and co-author of Why Greatness Cannot Be Planned, he explores how innovation emerges from exploration rather than narrow optimization. Joel’s research challenges conventional goal-driven approaches to AI and argues for systems that cultivate creativity, diversity, and unexpected discovery. #HumanTechWeek #Flourishing