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From the decline of meritocracy to the rise of anti-Western ideology, author Heather Mac Donald joins Freddy Gray to discuss race, merit, and victim hierarchy. Why is the West so desperate to self-cancel? And is now a moment of reckoning considering we're five years on from the BLM protests? // CHAPTERS 00:00 – Introduction 00:47 – Looking back on 2020 02:00 – Lawlessness, looting, and justice system double standards 05:21 – Trump’s response: executive orders and cultural pushback 07:06 – Diversity bureaucracies: rebranded or removed? 09:12 – Anti-Semitism vs. anti-Westernism in universities 11:07 – The decline of merit 13:27 – Hatred of the West and the rise of victimhood culture 18:30 – South Africa and identity politics 22:15 – The idea of self-cancellation 26:43 – Signs of pushback: policing, prosecution, and public sentiment 30:17 – Has the tide turned? Final thoughts on America’s cultural future // SUBSCRIBE TO THE SPECTATOR Get 12 issues for £12, plus a free £20 John Lewis/Waitrose voucher https://www.spectator.co.uk/tvoffer // FREE PODCASTS FROM THE SPECTATOR Hear more from The Spectator's journalists on their podcasts, covering everything from the politics of the UK, US and China, to religion, literature, lifestyle and more. https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcasts/ // FOLLOW US / spectator / officialspectator / the-spectator / spectator1828 / thespectatormagazine