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What happens when a successful lawyer leaves practice to build something new? Melissa Kluger shares how she transitioned from law to launching Precedent Magazine, now thriving nearly 20 years later. Melissa Kluger is the Publisher and CEO of Law & Style Media Inc. and the creator of Precedent Magazine and the Precedent A-List. Odette sits down with Melissa to learn the story behind her career transition from law to entrepreneurship, and how she went from law school and articling (for a Bay Street firm and Canadian criminal law icon Edward Greenspan) to launching one of the most influential publications for lawyers in Canada. She explains why she left traditional legal practice, the risks and challenges of starting a legal magazine, and how Precedent grew into a platform that highlights innovation, leadership, and diversity of culture in the legal profession. Odette and Melissa also discuss: • The transferable skills lawyers might not even know we have • The financial realities of independent journalism in the legal industry • How Precedent has helped make the legal profession more transparent and inclusive • Melissa's much-deserved receipt of the Law Society Medal from the Law Society of Ontario in 2025 Melissa also shares the story behind the Precedent A‑List, including plans for its relaunch and how supporting the A-List helps sustain Precedent’s journalism. Melissa is an absolute light, filled with insight and inspiration. Her story might inspire you to think of your skillset in a new and interesting way and to reflect on how you want to write your next chapter. If you're feeling generous, please give us a like and a subscribe! It's free for you and it really helps this little channel grow 📈 Find Melissa & Precedent here: https://www.precedentmagazine.com/ https://a-list.lawandstyle.ca/ Follow us on Social Media: / nonbillablehourspodcast / nonbillablehourspodcast Chapters: 00:00 introduction 01:30 becoming a lawyer was never plan "A" 03:00 getting swept up in the law school stress 03:40 Bay Street, New York City, and not-for-profit interning 04:15 articling for Eddie Greenspan and Marie Henein 06:45 becoming a media lawyer 07:30 deciding to leave legal practice and start a legal magazine 09:30 feeling unrepresented in legal magazines 17:28 receiving a medal by the Law Society of Ontario 20:00 the biggest challenge of starting Precedent Magazine 20:15 trademark wars 27:17 why lawyer need management skills 29:00 transferable skills for lawyers 30:15 favourite Precedent stories over the years 34:12 advice to your past law student self 36:12 future hopes for Precedent and the A-List 39:00 last random question (Melissa's creative passion!)