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Sébastien, Chief Investment Officer at T. Rowe Price and author of The Psychology of Leadership, brings a refreshingly counterintuitive view of leadership—one grounded in behavioral science, personality psychology, neuroleadership, and decades of experience leading global teams. His message is clear: many of the traits people typically associate with great leaders—constant talking, relentless persistence, stress-free decisiveness—are not what actually drive long-term performance. Real leadership requires listening, strategic patience, resilience, and the courage to quit when necessary. Through compelling stories and research-backed insights, Sébastien explains why self-awareness sits at the center of effective leadership, why meaning—not metrics—is what drives sustained excellence, and why positive relationships are the strongest predictor of human thriving. He reveals the hidden traps behind measurable goals, the science of motivation, and the critical balance between accountability and empathy. Whether you lead a team of five or an organization of thousands, this conversation will change the way you think about leadership psychology and the habits that truly move the needle. TAKEAWAYS • The most powerful leadership skill isn’t talking—it’s listening. High-level leadership is built on curiosity, active listening, and gathering perspectives before speaking. Talking first narrows decisions; listening first enlarges them. • Quitting is an underrated leadership strength. Knowing when to abandon failing initiatives and redirect resources is more valuable than “never give up.” Goal-induced blindness can destroy companies, careers, and personal health. • Stress isn’t the enemy—your relationship with stress is. Top leaders embrace stress as activation energy. Trying to appear stress-free is unrealistic and counterproductive; reframing stress builds resilience. PERSONAL APPLICATION 1. Practice “strategic patience.” Identify one decision this week that feels urgent but isn’t. Pause intentionally. Ask: What advantage might waiting create? 2. Test your tendency toward goal-induced blindness. Review one major goal. Ask yourself: What am I sacrificing to hit this target—health, relationships, ethics, creativity? Adjust accordingly. 3. Ask for feedback—don’t wait for it. This week, ask at least three people, “What’s one thing I could do better?” Keep the request specific and sincere.