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[This episode is conducted in Mandarin Chinese to allow for a more natural and authentic conversation] In this episode, I interviewed with Dato’ Calvin Chan, founder of Oriental Kopi, for an honest, unfiltered conversation about building a business the hard way. This is not a “success story” in the usual sense. Dato’ Calvin shares the uncomfortable realities behind scaling a Malaysian F&B brand from trusting the wrong people, being taken advantage of by suppliers, and learning painful leadership lessons, to building systems, teams, and discipline that can actually last. We talk about: 1. Why most businesses fail when they scale 2. The true cost of trusting the wrong partners 3. How growing up poor shaped his work ethic and decision-making 4. Why systems matter more than passion Chapters: 00:00 – Intro 01:07 – Disclaimer 01:50 – How Oriental Kopi Achieved Wok Hei at Scale 02:32 – 1 Year of R&D Before Opening a Single Shop 03:16 – From One Small Shop to a Public Company 04:03 - Have you think of giving up on F&B in the first year 05:20 – The Brutal Reality of Long Operating Hours in F&B 07:42 – The First Rule of Success: Self-Discipline 12:27 – Growing Up Poor: No Safety Net 22:30 - The Importance of SOPs & Systems in F&B Scaling 30:30 - The Biggest Scaling Killers: Cash Flow & Supplier Trust 38:30 - What’s Harder: Systems, Cash Flow, or Building a Team? 49:21 - Managing People Is the Hardest Part of Growth 01:02:28 - How to Get Out of a Low Point as a Founder 01:08:32 - Money Mindset: From Survival to Giving Back 01:20:20 - The 5–10 Year Vision Stay updated on money, markets & big shifts like this, straight to your inbox daily. 👉 https://TheCoffeeBreak.co/?ref=MMTV Come say Hi to us at, 🌐 Website: https://www.mrmoneytv.com/ 📘 Facebook: / mrmoneytv 🐦Twitter: / https://x.com/mrmoneytvchnl?s=21 📱 Instagram: / mrmoneytv 🖊️ LinkedIn: / mr-money-tv 🤳 TikTok: @mrmoneytvchannel 🎙️Podcast:https://open.spotify.com/show/1EhftKY... For business & job enquiries, do contact us at, ✉️ collabs@finlitmedia.co #orientalkopi #business #entrepreneur #malaysia #company #food #success #investment #mindset #money #wealth #podcast