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In this episode, we sit down with Jo England, founder of TRIBE, to unpack what it really takes to build and grow a business from the ground up. From the outside, entrepreneurship often looks glamorous — but behind the scenes, the journey is filled with doubt, pressure, and moments where quitting feels easier than continuing. “It was really difficult” isn’t just a phrase — it’s the reality of navigating growth, leadership, and responsibility while trying to build something meaningful. We talk through: The early challenges of starting TRIBE The hardest phases of business growth Lessons learned while scaling and evolving Mindset shifts required to keep going when things get tough What aspiring founders should actually expect This conversation is an honest look at the parts of business people don’t usually share — the struggle, the uncertainty, and the resilience required to push through. If you’re building something of your own, thinking about starting, or just want a real perspective on entrepreneurship, this one’s for you.