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In this episode of the talk show "Dil Se," veteran lawyer and politician Kapil Sibal hosts a candid discussion regarding the alleged weaponization of central agencies like the Enforcement Directorate (ED) to destabilize state governments. The conversation provides a rare behind-the-scenes look at the political friction in Chhattisgarh, featuring former Chief Minister Bhupesh Baghel, his son Chaitanya Baghel, and advocate Mayank Jain. Key Contextual Points: The episode focuses on how investigative agencies are reportedly used as tools for political "defection" and "image tarnishing." Bhupesh Baghel shares firsthand accounts of facing over 700 raids across Chhattisgarh during his tenure. Chaitanya Baghel recounts his 170-day incarceration and the grueling conditions within the Raipur Central Jail. Segment 1: The Politics of Raids and Defections [00:00:00 - 00:06:40] Sibal opens the show by questioning the impartiality of the ED, noting that raids rarely occur in BJP-ruled states. He suggests that the agency is used to force opposition leaders into joining the ruling party or to ruin their public reputation. Q: What was the primary motive behind the incessant raids in Chhattisgarh? Bhupesh Baghel: "यह सरकार तोड़ना चाहते हैं, विधायकों को खरीदना चाहते हैं। लेकिन छत्तीसगढ़ में 90 में से 68 सीट हमारे कांग्रेस की थी, तो वो तो तोड़ने से रहे।" [07:00] Segment 2: Targeting the Family [00:06:41 - 00:15:08] Baghel describes the "reign of terror" where ED officials would arrive in chartered planes with CRPF escorts, raiding even remote villages. He alleges that officials were pressured to name him or his son in exchange for leniency. He also mentions how PM Modi and Amit Shah would call him for "cooperation" while raids continued simultaneously. Q: Did the central leadership ever reach out to you directly during these raids? Bhupesh Baghel: "अमित शाह जी भी बुलाए थे, मोदी जी भी बुलाए थे... इशारा उनका मुझे बाद में समझ आया कि जब मैं मिल के आता था उसके बाद और छापा पड़ता था, फिर पूछते थे कि आपको कैसे मदद करें?" [13:26] Segment 3: The 170-Day Jail Ordeal [00:15:09 - 00:23:55] Chaitanya Baghel shares the harrowing details of his arrest, which occurred on his birthday without a prior summons. He links his arrest to his opposition to the felling of forests for an Adani coal block in Raigarh. Q: What was the state of basic human rights and health inside the Raipur Central Jail? Chaitanya Baghel: "वहां पे पीने का साफ पानी नहीं मिलता था... कैदी लोग ही इंजेक्शन लगा रहे थे, मतलब मान लो मानव अधिकार का खुला उल्लंघन था सर वहां पे।" [19:32] Segment 4: The Legal Trap – "Super Cops" and "Evergreening" [00:23:56 - 00:33:50] Advocate Mayank Jain breaks down the legal technicalities of the PMLA (Prevention of Money Laundering Act). He explains how the ED acts as a "Super Agency," often investigating crimes beyond its jurisdiction. He highlights the "Evergreening of Custody," where as soon as a suspect is about to get bail in one case, another agency arrests them in a fresh case to keep them behind bars indefinitely. Q: Why is the conviction rate so low despite so many high-profile arrests? Mayank Jain: "लोकसभा में बताया कि 6,442 केस रजिस्टर हुए, जिसमें से कन्विक्शन सिर्फ 53 में हुआ है, जो कि 1% से भी कम है... इनका मकसद है डराओ, अरेस्ट करो और जेल में रखो।" [32:42] Segment 5: The "Fear Factor" and Media Trials [00:33:51 - 00:42:08] The guests discuss the "silencing effect" of these agencies, citing how prominent leaders have stopped critiquing the government. Baghel recounts the "Mahadev Betting App" allegations, calling them a calculated attempt to ruin his political future right before elections. Q: How does the media play into these agency operations? Chaitanya Baghel: "9:00 बजे मुझे ईडी गिरफ्तार करती है, 9:01 में भाजपा के प्रवक्ता बोलना चालू कर दिए कि चैतन्य गिरफ्तार हो गया... सिर्फ डिफेम करना है सर बस।" [38:31] #kapilsibal #edraid #modishah #politicsnews #dilsewithkapilsibal #indianpolitics #bjpvsopposition Join this channel to get access to perks: / @theredmike. The Red Mike is a new movement in centrist Journalism. We tell your stories. Ground reports the way they should be. To say what’s right, and not what is just popular. Stories from India & around the world that impact and affect you. Your Mike. Your Story. . For advertisement & Sponsorship Email us at - ads@theredmike.com WhatsApp Number: +91- 9821728111 . . . . रेड माइक पत्रकारिता में एक नया आंदोलन है। हम आपकी कहानियाँ सुनाते हैं। ग्राउंड रिपोर्ट वैसी ही जैसी होनी चाहिए. बात ऐसी जो सही हो, सिर्फ़ लोकप्रिय नहीं। भारत और दुनिया भर से कहानियाँ जो आपको प्रेरित और प्रभावित करती हैं। लाल माइक - आपका माइक, आपकी आवाज़। FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK : facebook.com/TheRedMike FOLLOW US ON TWITTER : x.com/theredmike FOLLOW US ON INSTAGRAM : instagram.com/theredmike FOLLOW US ON WHATSAPP : whatsapp.com/channel/0029VaGhJSNCxoB5Wfdedr0Z #TheRedMike #लालमाइक #laalmike