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Robert L. Suettinger examines China’s political evolution, from Mao’s devastating Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution to Xi Jinping’s reversal of market reforms. He underscores the Chinese people’s persistent desire for freedom, countered by the regime’s repressive surveillance and control. Exploring Hu Yaobang’s legacy and the Tiananmen Square protests, Suettinger critiques Beijing’s economic policies and surveillance tactics. He questions the sustainability of China’s trajectory, weighing its demographic crisis and military ambitions in the Western Pacific, offering insights into its precarious path. Robert Lee Suettinger is a historian of contemporary politics in the People’s Republic of China. He spent nearly 24 years in the intelligence and foreign policy bureaucracies of the US federal government. As well as writing a book on the Tiananmen Square Massacre, Suettinger’s most recent one is entitled The Conscience Of The Party: Hu Yaobang, China’ Communist Reformer. Sign up to John's newsletter here: https://johnanderson.net.au/contact/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:02:14 - The Persistence of Communism in China 00:04:26 - Scale of Tiananmen Protests 00:06:26 - Distinguishing People from Government 00:07:29 - Hong Kong Protests and Repression 00:09:14 - Western Naivety and Economic Cynicism 00:12:50 - Hu Yaobang: China’s Tragic Reformer 00:17:51 - Hu Yaobang’s Vision for Reform 00:25:07 - Tiananmen’s Uneasy Compact 00:28:41 - Jiang Zemin’s Leadership and Charm 00:33:30 - Mao’s Brutal Legacy 00:39:41 - Western Blindness to Atrocities 00:42:48 - Xi Jinping’s Rollback of Reforms 00:48:52 - Social Media and Control 00:52:04 - Technology and Repression 00:53:30 - China’s Economic and Demographic Challenges 00:58:11 - China’s Military Ambitions 01:02:22 - China-Japan Tensions 01:06:08 - Managing the China Threat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conversations feature John Anderson, former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia, interviewing the world's foremost thought leaders about today's pressing social, cultural and political issues. John believes proper, robust dialogue is necessary if we are to maintain our social strength and cohesion. As he puts it; "You cannot get good public policy out of a bad public debate." If you value this discussion and want to see more like it, make sure you subscribe to the channel here: / @johnandersonmedia And stay right up to date with all the conversations by subscribing to the newsletter here: https://johnanderson.net.au/contact/ Follow John on X: https://x.com/JohnAndersonAC Follow John on Facebook: / johnandersonac Follow John on Instagram: / johnandersonac Support the channel: https://johnanderson.net.au/support/ Website: https://johnanderson.net.au/ Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Qh2fEs... 2QH0QLLWRVNX5LFA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.robertsuettinger.com/