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In this episode of Make It Thrive: The Company Culture Podcast, I chat with Lisa Gill—self-management coach, Tuff Leadership trainer, and host of the Leadermorphosis podcast—about the evolution of new ways of working, the challenges of self-management and the deeper shifts required to truly adopt them. Lisa shares her experience in helping teams and organisations move toward self-management and emphasises the inner transformation needed to support outer change. The conversation explores why change initiatives often stall, the role of feedback and listening in workplace transformation, and the importance of unlearning conditioned workplace behaviours. The episode is rich with personal insights, practical tools, and reflections on leadership, authenticity, and systemic reinvention. We Cover; Evolution of new ways of working: Lisa reflects on the shift in interest toward self-managed teams, particularly since the pandemic forced more flexible, trust-based approaches to work. Barriers to change: Resistance often stems from fear, deep-rooted conditioning, and a lack of imagination around alternative ways of working. The unlearning process: Adopting self-management requires individuals to question long-standing behaviours and roles, especially those associated with traditional hierarchies. Role of feedback: Feedback, when reframed as a tool for learning (not control), can foster deeper self-awareness and team development. Power of listening: True listening is a leadership superpower. Lisa shares practices for cultivating deeper, generative listening as foundational to culture change. Lisa’s personal growth: She discusses her challenges with delegation, conflict avoidance, and the journey toward being both kind and direct—a balance vital in self-managed contexts. Redefining roles and identity at work: Many people unknowingly adopt managerial personas. Becoming more authentic involves shedding those roles and embracing vulnerability. USEFUL LINKS 🔗 Lisa's podcast - Leadermorphosis https://leadermorphosis.co/ Tuff Leadership https://www.tuffleadershiptraining.com/ Moose Heads on the Table; https://amzn.to/44xoMio OTHER LINKS 🔗 https://libertymind.co.uk/ Sign-up to my monthly Culture Fix email newsletter 💌 https://libertymind.co.uk/email-newsl... WHO AM I? 🤓 Hi! - If you're new here, I'm Lizzie, a culture coach based in the UK. I help teams, start-ups and businesses create great places to work through alternative ways of working. Through my videos, my podcast and my blog I share practical ideas about how we can make work better. And share my experience as a founder, business owner and personal-development junkie.