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Sean Illing and Ta-Nehisi Coates talk about storytelling, moral clarity, and the dangers of hiding behind complexity. Subscribe to our channel! http://goo.gl/0bsAjO Support our work. Become a Vox Member today: http://www.vox.com/memberships In this excerpt from The Gray Area podcast, Coates discusses his new book of essays, The Message. The Message covers a lot of ground, but the largest section of the book is about Coates’s trip to the Middle East and the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. Coates argues that the situation is not as complicated as most of us believe. You can find the audio version of this episode and many more from The Gray Area at https://www.vox.com/the-gray-area. The Gray Area is a Vox podcast that takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty. Sources and further reading: Ta-Nehisi Coates: https://ta-nehisicoates.com Sean Illing: https://x.com/seanilling Vox.com is a news website that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Check out http://www.vox.com. Watch our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/IZONyE Follow Vox on Facebook: http://goo.gl/U2g06o Or Twitter: http://goo.gl/XFrZ5H