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Episode Summary Dave Clare breaks down the difference between speed bumps, hurdles, and the walls you invent in your own head; then shares the 2017 “pizza box” moment where the business bombed and he chose to commit anyway. The conversation gets practical on leadership: lead people, manage resources, and never reduce humans to “resources.” Dave unpacks a key business shift; stop selling programs with an end date and start selling a process that creates recurring revenue and stability. Levi Saunders widens the lens into relationships, seasons, and growth: adversity shows who steps forward, who steps back, and who can’t handle your evolution. Levi brings it back to what matters; presence, fatherhood, and rebuilding relationships after hard chapters. Key Takeaways The Pizza Box Moment: The defining moment of commitment when everything else falls apart. Humans vs. Resources: Why you lead people but manage resources—and never confuse the two. Recurring Revenue: Shifting from selling programs to selling a process for long-term stability. Adversity as a Filter: How hard times reveal who is truly with you on the journey. Resources Mentioned Book: Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink Article: The Stoic Art of Endurance