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In this episode, Paul Samson, President of the Centre for International Governance Innovation (CIGI) and former Deputy Minister of Canada, joins me to unpack the future of AI governance, the race toward AGI, and the geopolitical consequences of autonomous systems. Follow Policy Prompt on https://www.cigionline.org/pp/ We discuss: 00:00 – Introduction: Why AI Governance Matters Now 01:48 – Defining AI, AGI & ASI 04:47 – Has AGI Already Arrived? DeepSeek & AI Agents 07:55 – What Are AI Agents? Risks of Emergent Behavior 09:32 – Is AI Like Electricity or the Printing Press? 12:22 – AI & Humanity’s Relationship With Reality 14:50 – Productivity Scenarios & The Global South 19:20 – Which Jobs Will AI Replace? 23:28 – Why AI Governance Is So Hard 26:24 – Can the G20 Regulate AI? 28:55 – The Role of Middle Powers Like India 32:41 – Machine-Accelerated Conflict & Escalation Risks 37:14 – Autonomous Weapons Explained 41:03 – Should Autonomous Weapons Be Banned? 45:22 – Who Leads AI Today? US vs China vs Big Tech 47:42 – Cloud Sovereignty & Data Control 49:43 – Infrastructure for the Age of AI 53:19 – Big Tech vs Governments 56:02 – What Is Quantum AI? 1:00:09 – Quantum Infrastructure & The Future As AI evolves from productivity tool to strategic infrastructure, questions of governance, sovereignty, and security become urgent. Is AI like electricity — or something far more transformative? Can global standards emerge in a fragmented geopolitical landscape? And who ultimately controls the future of intelligent systems: states, corporations, or algorithms themselves?