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Why has Iran refused to break under decades of American and Israeli pressure? What really sustains the Islamic Republic? And what does this war reveal about the fractures in the global order? Nasr argues that reducing Iran to a theocracy misses the point entirely. In this episode: 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:38 - Brief history of Iran 0:10:11 - Iranian efforts in “restoring honor.” 0:16:30 - Deng Xiaoping moment in Iran? 0:20:26 - Hope for JCPOA 0:24:30 - Young Reza Pahlavi 0:30:27 - Division within Iranians 0:33:34 - Who is Mojtaba Khamenei 0:47:04 - Regime change 0:52:35 - Miscalculations on the US side 0:58:11 - This war is a “turning point” for global order 1:02:45 - Bagher Zolghadr’s possible posturing 1:07:57 - “Iran is determined not to be bullied into surrender.” 1:13:16 - Shia-Sunni retaliation 1:19:21 - The best scenario; the prospect of peace 1:24:20 - The death of the international liberal order #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #ValiNasr ------------------ About the Guest: Vali Nasr served as Dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) and as Senior Advisor to the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is the author of several landmark books, including The Dispensable Nation, The Shia Revival, and his most recent, Iran’s Grand Strategy — which frames much of the conversation in this episode. About the host: Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy. ------------------ Get your copy of Gita Wirjawan’s book, “What It Takes: Southeast Asia”, NOW: https://books.endgame.id/ Also available on Amazon: https://sgpp.me/amazon/ Leave your review here: www.goodreads.com/book/show/241922036-what-it-takes ------------------ You might also like: • We’re Not in World War III Yet, Realist Jo... • Jiang Xueqin: Our True Wealth Is Our Consc... • Trump, Biden, and Foreign Policy Missteps ... ------------------ Special thanks to our ‘Future Narrators’ channel members: Mariko Yoshihara, Yemotto IBRAHIM, hobi kluyuran, Fajar Prasetyo, Dyah Firgiani, keetkaat, Arie Gunardi, Yayi Trisnawati D, Teddy Chow, Wwertyssnb, Widi Aphrian, Priyanithi Dharsania Negara, hndraable, hendro trihatmojo, Muhammad Taufik Evendi, QunÔºáan Syukrilah, Charles Andrew Tang, Ariyo Arinsa Putra, Reda Bellarbi, Jaz Simbolon, azam adnani, Muhammad Ismail Mubarak, Stefanus B. W., KATE WOLSKA, pixelcadet, Itje Chodidjah, Geralt Fajar Bukan, Jack Duan, Elmi CK Ong, Lucy March, Wahyu Jaka, Anggun Noventina, Irawan Purwono, Krishna Putra, Agnes Pranindita, Darso Arafa, nazaruddin nasir, 747sgw, Patricia S, Gusko Adnyana, ferra febrianti, Jerry Budiman, Mawan Darmawan, diah anggraini, Adrian Baskoro, Naufal M, Bambang Haryanto, Ezwan Zakaria, Marilyn C, Kianti Darusman, Revolution R, liza dewi, Joanna FKG, Susanto Uno, Taswin Munier, M Firaldi Akbar Zulkarnain, Seno wibowo, Hendry Ahen, Aria Widyanto, Ferdy Reza, Ilham R, Ayu Arman, Haju Ara Podcast, Flores Exotic Tours, Niki S, nonik martyastuti, Anita Amalia, Meilisva AA Taniel, Dewi Risnawati, birgietta katherine, Derry Harnanda, Ridwan Sakidja, Rita Sahara, Sanityas Prawatyani, Teddy Sutendi, erna girirachman, Ronny Wijaya, Alvin Rivaldi, Stella sinaga, Kawal Jakarta, Yufud Rahayun, chandrawati Saragih, Calvin Go, Freddy Wijaya, Bambang Made, Oktavianto Dwi Wicaksono, fsoenardi, ULFA, Dina Siswa, Daniel Tagu Dedo, Yoggi Dinata, Asyraf Mursalina, tanto thesman, Kacamata Indra, Omabudi Herawan, Sony Akmad, rifky jehan, rita triani, Beatrice Cynthia Walter, sentraikanlaut sentraikanlaut, Dendy Hernama, Nur Aini, Sri Rahayu Fitriani, Ainia Putri Ayu Kusuma, faiza kamalia, Muhammad Juni Eka Wardana, Liely Noor Qadarwati, agung Murdifi, Egha Friyansari, agita sari, Anang Rikza Masyhadi OFFICIAL, Didik Muktiyanto, Arif Albadawi91, Hajar Saputra, Rahayu Bali, BERTI GARAMIN NTT, Imam Suwongso, Boodguns, Widhy Akbar, Mario Lengkey