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In this episode, Sam Bell speaks with Gina Rembe about testing what works, pragmatic systems and process design, and creating structural change that holds. Gina is Head of Human & Organisational Development at ProjectTogether in Berlin, leading complex, cross-sector transformation initiatives. Her career spans Associate Director of Human-Centered Design at PwC New Zealand, systems-intervention leadership at Lifehack, and deep involvement with Enspiral’s global network. She has led youth mental health innovation, circular futures initiatives, large-scale stakeholder processes, and experience design across government, construction, and social impact sectors. Drawing on more than a decade of systems work across Europe, Australia, and Aotearoa New Zealand, Gina reflects on what actually creates durable impact: testing and iterating, designing strong containers, shaping pragmatic next steps, and building relationships that outlast projects. This is a conversation about structural ambition grounded in practice, community resilience in uncertain times, and why scrappy prototypes can become lasting systems. This episode explores: • Process design as craft: shaping invitations, containers, and stakeholder journeys • Pragmatism in complex systems: test, iterate, build on what resonates • Prototypes, stories, and output as communication tools • Youth wellbeing innovation and open-source resources that continue to ripple years later • Scrappy prototypes and communication to provide vision, structural ambition, and learning through “loose” systems • Enspiral’s networked model and long-term community development • Experience design and adding delight to serious work • Impossible projects, limited budgets, and making them real • Geopolitics, civic responsibility, and strengthening local community ties • Relationships first: lessons from New Zealand about connection before agenda Guest links • Gina Rembe: / gina-rembe-3a607014 • Enspiral: https://www.enspiral.com/ • The youth wellbeing innovation initiative – Lifehack: https://lifehackhq.co • Dan Burgess and Good for Nothing: https://goodfornothing.co • Maggie Doyne @ the DO Lectures: https://thedolectures.com/speakers/ma... Chapters 03:08 Choosing mission-driven challenges and structural change 07:42 Testing, building prototypes and using stories as communication tools 11:38 DO Lectures Wales and life-changing moments 14:26 Family lineage, craft, and mediation 16:47 Slowing down and ‘relationships-first’ in New Zealand 24:19 Building community intentionally in Berlin 27:23 Long-term networked impact with Enspiral and Lifehack (youth mental health), and open-source innovation 33:30 Scrappy systems, governance tensions, and learning by doing 40:24 Experience design, adding delight to retreats and spaces of care 48:28 Impossible projects and doing more with less 51:14 Digital lightness vs real-world weight 52:30 Neighbours, local resilience, and small acts of community Explore further Book a Lab: https://naturalgenius.com.au Learn more about Sam: https://samanthabell.com.au Subscribe to hear future episodes. Credits Hosted by Samantha (Sam) Bell in Violet Town and Berlin, 1 February, 2026 Produced at the Violet Town and Peregian Beach offices, 1 February - 3 March, 2026 Natural Genius Podcast https://naturalgenius.com.au