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What if 80% of Corporate Training Disappeared Tomorrow?

What if 80% of corporate training disappeared tomorrow - would performance really suffer, or would we finally see what actually works? That provocative question frames this episode of Voices of the Learning Network, where host Bill Banham is joined by Kurt Lindley (  / kurtlindleycoachdeveloper  ) , a learning design consultant whose work spans elite sport, education, healthcare, and global organisations. With more than two decades exploring human performance and meaningful learning, Kurt brings a rare blend of coaching science, psychology, and narrative. He’s known across the Learning Network for his thought-provoking sessions, including “Learning is a wicked problem,” which challenges the idea that development can ever be clean, linear, or easily measured. In this conversation, Kurt unpacks why so much corporate training remains passive and forgettable — and what happens when we strip learning back to the few ideas that genuinely shift behaviour in the real world. Drawing lessons from high-performance sport, he explains how pressure can be managed (not avoided), why one-size-fits-all design fails, and how humility and co-ownership outperform control. We also explore the future of human capability in an AI-shaped world, the concept of “safe uncertainty” as a leadership frame for change, and why storytelling remains the most powerful human technology for sense-making, memory, and identity shift. This is a deep, challenging episode for anyone rethinking what learning is for — and how to design experiences that actually endure. In this episode, we explore: • What would really happen if most corporate training stopped • Why learning is a “wicked problem” by nature • Lessons from elite sport on pressure, recovery, and performance • Managing stress without burnout • “Safe uncertainty” and the stabilisers of change • Narrative as a driver of sense-making and behaviour change • Defining impact beyond engagement and smile sheets • What meaningful learning looks like in an AI-shaped world If this episode sparked new thinking, follow the show, share it with a colleague who cares about real change, and leave a quick review to help others find it. Voices of the Learning Network is the Learning Network podcast connecting the learning and development community. https://thelearning-network.org/