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Welcome to the 2025 State of AI Security. This year, the conversation has moved beyond simple prompt injection to a far more complex threat: attacking the entire ecosystem surrounding the LLM. In this deep-dive discussion, offensive security experts Jason Haddix (Arcanum Information Security) and Daniel Miessler (Unsupervised Learning) break down the real-world attack vectors they're seeing in the wild. The conversation explores why prompt injection remains an unsolved problem and how the LLM is now being used as a delivery system to attack internal developers and connected applications. We also tackle the critical challenge of incident response, questioning how you can detect or investigate a malicious prompt when privacy regulations in some regions prevent logging and observability. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to understand the true offensive and defensive landscape of AI security, from the DARPA Cyber Challenge to the race for AI to control the browser. Questions asked: 00:00 Introduction 02:22 Who are Jason Haddix & Daniel Miessler? 03:40 The State of AI Security in 2025 06:20 It's All About the "Scaffolding", Not Just the Model 08:30 Why Prompt Injection is a Fundamental, Unsolved Problem 10:45 "Attacking the Ecosystem": Using the LLM as a Delivery System 12:45 The New Enterprise Protocol: Prompts in English 15:10 The Incident Response Dilemma: How Do You Detect Malicious Prompts? 16:50 The Challenge of Logging: When Privacy Laws Block Observability 21:30 Has Data Poisoning Become a Major Threat? 27:20 How Far Can Autonomous AI Go in Hacking Today? 28:30 An Inside Look at the DARPA AI Cyber Challenge (AIxCC) 40:45 Are Attackers Actually Using AI in the Wild? 47:30 The Evolution of the "Script Kitty" in the Age of AI 51:00 Would AGI Solve Security? The Problem of Politics & Context 59:15 Context is King: Why Prompt Engineering is a Critical Skill 01:03:30 What are the Best LLMs for Security & Productivity? 01:05:40 The Next Frontier: Why AI is Racing to Own the Browser 01:20:20 Does Using AI to Write Content Erode Trust? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 📱AI Security Podcast Social Media📱 _____________________________________ 🛜 Website - https://aisecuritypodcast.com/ ✉️ AI CyberSecurity Newsletter - https://www.aisecuritynewsletter.ai/ LinkedIn: / ai-security-podcast #AISecurity #cybersecurity #ai