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The conversation delves into the mission of discipleship and the challenges faced by churches in designing intentional discipleship programs. It explores the biblical understanding of discipleship, the lack of training and equipping, the focus on gaining new believers, and the drift away from discipleship. The fear of becoming a disciple, the watering down of discipleship, and the vagueness in church practices are also highlighted, along with the fear of change and the need for intentional discipleship. The conversation delves into the need for intentional discipleship, the timing of discipleship, and the characteristics of intentional discipleship. It emphasizes the importance of mentorship and a hunger to be mentored in the discipleship process. Takeaways Discipleship as a mission of the church Vagueness and lack of intentionality in discipleship Discipleship is a two-way process Intentional discipleship requires mentorship and a hunger to be mentored Chapters 00:00 Fear of Change and Intentional Discipleship 32:21 When Does Discipleship Begin? 38:04 What Does Intentional Discipleship Look Like?