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Political scientist and historian Norman Finkelstein joins this special edition of UNAPOLOGETIC that marks two years since the October 7 Hamas-led attack and Israel’s devastating retaliation against Gaza, which the majority of genocide scholars around the world have labelled a genocide. In this nearly three-hour conversation, we ask whether Hamas regrets its attack on October 7th, probe the realities of Trump’s latest Gaza plan - and question if it is just another ruse to create cover for more of Netanyahu’s atrocities. and entrench his government's plans to make Gaza uninhabitable for Palestinians. Norman laments the depth of Israel’s brutality over the past 24 months and the roles of Israeli society, Arab states, Western governments, and the media in enabling it. He also reflects on the collapse of international law and shifting global politics and discusses whether recognition of Palestine makes any difference, where the genocide leaves the future of the Palestinian liberation struggle, and why the horrors of Gaza defy facts alone. Prof. Finkelstein’s research into Israel’s actions since October 7th and the complicity around those actions will all be published in a new book entitled, Gaza’s Gravediggers : An inquiry into corruption at high places. UNAPOLOGETIC is Hosted by Ashfaaq Carim Chapters 0:00 Introduction and framing 11:30 Trump Gaza plan 23:00 Netanyahu and atrocities 34:30 Ceasefire and displacement 46:00 Arab states and West 57:30 Collapse of international law 1:09:00 Hamas and October 7 1:20:30 Brutality over 24 months 1:32:00 Media and propaganda 1:43:30 Genocide famine and facts 1:55:00 Israeli society consensus 2:06:30 Resistance and suppression 2:18:00 History and liberation 2:29:30 Future of Palestinian cause 2:41:00 Final reflections Support stories that matter. Join this channel to get access to perks: / @middleeasteye Catch previous episodes of MEE LIVE, our biweekly news programme exploring the stories shaping our world through breaking coverage, expert analysis, and hard-hitting interviews. Originally airing Tuesdays & Thursdays at 12pm ET | 5pm BST Got a story tip or question? Reach us at [email protected] Subscribe to our channel: http://ow.ly/AVlW30n1OWH Subscribe to MEE Telegram channel to stay up to date: https://t.me/MiddleEastEye_TG Middle East Eye Website: https://middleeasteye.net Follow us on TikTok: / middleeasteye Follow us on Instagram: / middleeasteye Like us on Facebook: / middleeasteye Follow us on Twitter: / middleeasteye