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Public institutions for science and technology have hardly changed over half a century; even the UK’s most recent creation, ARIA, is consciously modelled on a US institution founded in the 1960s. But there is much to learn from other sectors that have innovated far more, including business. The deep institutional conservatism of public science may be one factor behind the continuous decline of R&D productivity. This talk from Sir Geoff Mulgan, Professor of Collective Intelligence, Public Policy and Social Innovation, UCL STEaPP & Co-founder, The Institutional Architecture Lab (TIAL), provides a diagnosis, shares alternative ways of thinking being used by some governments around the world, and points to a potentially very different institutional landscape for science and technology in the 2030s. Part of the 'Flashpoints & faultlines in science, technology, engineering & public policy' seminar series hosted by RoRI and UCL Science, Technology, Engineering and Public Policy (UCL STEaPP). Chair: James Wilsdon, Professor of Research Policy, UCL & Executive Director, Research on Research Institute. Discussants: Anjana Ahuja, Science Commentator at the Financial Times, William Cullerne Bown, Journalist at The Independent and New Scientist, Ine Steenmans, Associate Professor in Futures, Analysis and Policy at UCL 00:00 - Introduction - James Wilsdon 03:21 - Talk - Geoff Mulgan 38:57 - Response - William Cullerne Bown 43:57 - Response - Ine Steenmans 51:12 - Response - Anjana Ahuja 56:48 - Closing remarks - Geoff Mulgan Recorded on 30 April 2025